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Both Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez did interviews with Zane Lowe on Apple’s Beat 1 radio today, and together they shared a portrait of how Swift helped Gomez process her heartbreak after her final Justin Bieber breakup last year.
The girls never named Bieber, but they did talk about Gomez’s breakup song “Lose You to Love Me” being a finish line of that emotional processing.
Swift spoke first, telling Lowe that the song is “the best thing she’s ever done. She came over, she played me the video. I’m so proud of her. She’s been through so much. I’ve watched so much happen in her life and had a front row seat to so much, and I’m so proud of her. She is such a revelation because now she’s making her best stuff. I am 100 percent convinced this is the best thing she’s done so far.”
Lowe asked Swift what the difference is between Gomez before and now. Swift demurred there, but she had glowing things to say about how much pride she had to see Gomez throughout her journey. “You know, I think no one can say that better than she can, but just from my perspective as her friend, I’ve just never been more proud,” she started. “The things that she’s overcome, the situations she’s risen above, it’s been a long time since we were friends and she’s the best. She’s just the best. I’m really excited because when somebody has had great life experience, has had really tough things they’ve had to go through and they can process that and make art that’s going to help other people, that’s what kind of song this is. I’m stoked.”
Lowe later played Swift’s responses to Gomez during her interview. Gomez got emotional hearing what Swift said. “Aw, that was very sweet,” Gomez started.
Lowe asked, “Without friends, where do you go?”
“I don’t know. I really don’t,” Gomez responded truthfully. “[Taylor has been an] amazing [friend]. For sure. She was frustrated when I was frustrated; she was sad when I was sad. But more than anything, my friends stood by my side. I think they visibly saw me in so much pain. And they didn’t want it for me but they—sorry—” Gomez paused, nearly choking up. “They never stopped loving me. And I played her the song, and I played it with her mom and dad, and I showed her the video and her mom and Taylor started crying. And it wasn’t because the song was emotional. It was just because the first thing they said to me was, ‘We’re so happy that you’re here. After seeing all of that, this is such a cool moment.’ And that’s a huge thing for me.”
In the worst of her heartbreak, Gomez admitted, “It was awful. Yeah, it was pretty terrible. And that’s okay. I think I had experienced years of it already so I wasn’t really thrown off, but I was just exhausted.” (Bieber and Gomez were on-off for nearly 10 years.)
“My heart was just so tired,” Gomez continued. “And I think that allowing myself to just say that was important for me.”
It was that reason Gomez took a break to allow herself to process things on her own and heal. “I started noticing that my life just became a story, and it was entertainment, and I was just not okay with that because it was real and it was very real to me,” she said. “And I think that’s the time I needed to just say I’m not going to be a part of this anymore.” Gomez is in a different, “happy” space now, a year after that initial pain.